..gibt's wirklich noch keinen Nightwish-Thread? *Suche misstrauisch beaeug*
Naja. Da Nightwish inzwischen ja durchaus bekannter sind dacht ich, ich eroeffne aus gegebenem Anlass mal 'nen Thread.
Seit heute ist bekannt, dass Tarja nicht mehr bei Nightwish dabei sein wird, weil sie von Tuomas (und eigentlich der ganzen Band) "rausgeschmissen" wurde.
Ich kann die Gruende durchaus nachvollziehen, und glaube auch, dass das wohl die beste Loesung ist, dennoch find ichs schade. Nightwish und Tarja gehoeren irgendwie zusammen.
Bleibt jetzt noch die Spannende Frage, wer die Ersatzsaengerin spielen darf und ob neues Nightwish-Material dann noch an die frueheren Stuecke ran kommt.
Fuer alle Interessierten hier noch der offene Brief von Tuomas an Tarja:
"Dear Tarja,
It's time to choose whether the story of NIGHTWISH ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We've been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. NIGHTWISH is a way of life, something to live for, and we're certain we can't let it go.
Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I've been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don't go with NIGHTWISH anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don't talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
We are involved in an industry where the business side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it's an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for NIGHTWISH, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: 'I don't need NIGHTWISH anymore,' and 'Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance.'
I can't simply write any more songs for you to sing.
You have said yourself that you are merely a 'guest musician' in NIGHTWISH. Now that visit ends and we will continue NIGHTWISH with a new female vocalist. We're sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
You told us that no matter what, the next NIGHTWISH album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there's no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It's all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
In interviews I've mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. NIGHTWISH is, however, a scenery of my soul and I'm not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don't match mine.
We were never bothered by the fact that you didn't participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt OK about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that NIGHTWISH would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn't think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
NIGHTWISH is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can't take care of those duties anymore.
Deep within we don't know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn't think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
It's obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don't respect or listen to you. Believe us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This 'compensation and more money from everything' attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
All the best for your life and career, Tuomas."
Meinungen?
Gut so? Schlecht? Gibt es ohne Tarja noch 'ne Zukunft fuer Nightwish?
Edit:
Achja, das ganze steht wohl auch offiziell auf der Nightwish Seite, allerdings scheint die wegen Ueberfuellung im Moment down zu sein.
Naja. Da Nightwish inzwischen ja durchaus bekannter sind dacht ich, ich eroeffne aus gegebenem Anlass mal 'nen Thread.
Seit heute ist bekannt, dass Tarja nicht mehr bei Nightwish dabei sein wird, weil sie von Tuomas (und eigentlich der ganzen Band) "rausgeschmissen" wurde.
Ich kann die Gruende durchaus nachvollziehen, und glaube auch, dass das wohl die beste Loesung ist, dennoch find ichs schade. Nightwish und Tarja gehoeren irgendwie zusammen.
Bleibt jetzt noch die Spannende Frage, wer die Ersatzsaengerin spielen darf und ob neues Nightwish-Material dann noch an die frueheren Stuecke ran kommt.
Fuer alle Interessierten hier noch der offene Brief von Tuomas an Tarja:
"Dear Tarja,
It's time to choose whether the story of NIGHTWISH ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We've been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. NIGHTWISH is a way of life, something to live for, and we're certain we can't let it go.
Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I've been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don't go with NIGHTWISH anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don't talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
We are involved in an industry where the business side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it's an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for NIGHTWISH, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: 'I don't need NIGHTWISH anymore,' and 'Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day's warning in advance.'
I can't simply write any more songs for you to sing.
You have said yourself that you are merely a 'guest musician' in NIGHTWISH. Now that visit ends and we will continue NIGHTWISH with a new female vocalist. We're sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
You told us that no matter what, the next NIGHTWISH album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there's no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It's all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
In interviews I've mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. NIGHTWISH is, however, a scenery of my soul and I'm not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don't match mine.
We were never bothered by the fact that you didn't participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt OK about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that NIGHTWISH would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn't think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
NIGHTWISH is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can't take care of those duties anymore.
Deep within we don't know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn't think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
It's obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don't respect or listen to you. Believe us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This 'compensation and more money from everything' attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
All the best for your life and career, Tuomas."
Meinungen?
Gut so? Schlecht? Gibt es ohne Tarja noch 'ne Zukunft fuer Nightwish?
Edit:
Achja, das ganze steht wohl auch offiziell auf der Nightwish Seite, allerdings scheint die wegen Ueberfuellung im Moment down zu sein.
それでも未来へ 風は吹いている
頬に感じる 生命の息吹 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
頬に感じる 生命の息吹 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
ich habe zwar nur Wishmaster,aber ich fand manche stücke (nemo, i wish i had an angel),die man so im radio gehört hat,auch nicht wirklich schlecht.
verbinde ich nicht sonderlich viel mit ihr.
...). Ihre (wirklich wunderschöne) Stimme hat sehr viel der Musik ausgemacht (obwohl die Band an sich natürlich auch nicht verachten ist...ganz und gar nit). Ich bin erst durch diese Stimme(und Nemo, ich gebs zu) dazu gekommen, bzw. darauf aufmerksam geworden, habe mir alle Alben geholt und angefangen diese Band (nicht nur Tarja) zu lieben (auch wenn es meiner Meinung nach, kein besseres Album gibt als Wishmaster, da sie dort irgendwie am experimentierfreudigsten sind...Century Child ist natürlich auch toll....ach alle Alben sind fantastisch). Ich meine ich werde die Band auch weiterhin verfolgen und hoffe, dass sie jemanden finden, mit dem sie sich verstehen, mit dem sie klarkommen und der eine Stimme hat, die man mit Tarja vergleichen kann. Aber ich bezweifle, dass sich beim ersten neuen Album die selben Gefühle einstellen werden, wie es bei den alten tun. 
